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Bartholomae

Bartholomae

Bartholomae’s research paper brought to into focus several interesting points about students beginning their college career and what is expected of them when it comes to their scholarly writing skills. Students are expected to be able to achieve higher academic writing right out of high school – and many are not prepared – and learn to take charge of the information they present and feel comfortable taking a certain level of authority over the information they yield

One of Bartholomae’s arguments is the importance of taking scholarly authority. Of course to many papers, this is a very important part where the researcher is able to reveal their findings from a speaker with authority over the information being released. Bartholomae argues that when students deviate from this however, they often “…slip into the more immediately available and realizable voice of authority, the voice of a teacher giving a lesson or the voice of a parent lecturing at the dinner table.” (6). They then switch from talking about ‘I’ and confer advice in the form of the pronoun ‘you.’ This Bartholomae recognizes as an error because they have not yet developed themselves as someone who is speaking from a point of scholarly authority.

Another point Bartholomae brings up is the expectation that students must be able to use academic writing before they understand how to. Bartholomae seems to argue that this is a good thing and that only through practicing it will it get better, which I agree with, but I also question how students would be able to ever truly learn how to do that without a basic understanding of creating language that flows and can be easily understood. If someone never broke out of their comfort zone and experimented with exploring new language and ideas that would be problematic to learning as a whole, but not being able to write in a way that is understandable in the first place somewhat destroys the entire meaning of writing which is clearly to communicate.

It’s easier to build on basic ideas once they are understood than to leap into something that is way beyond the skill level of the person trying to complete them. It’s likely this is purposeful to see where students place, though and where they should start with their classes. Still, it’s hard for me to understand how it would be preferable for a student to write in a style that is difficult to understand or the words are used incorrectly to their intention than someone who uses more basic language that directly answers the questioned asked. This to me is a problem almost because every single teacher I have ever had has wanted information to be clear and precise in a paper. Students learn scholarly jargon along the way, but how they are expected to try – and almost undoubtedly fail – in something before they are ready for it seems a bit unfair. Students will over time, learn it.

However, ultimately I do agree with Bartholomae’s view that at some point students should teach themselves how to write completely academically, though I’m not sure it should be expected before they have even learned how to use it. However, formal writing itself should be used and is usually taught in high school anyways – students should already know when to include formal writing and not use colloquial language in a formal essay.

Bartholomae also addresses students writing to their audience. This is true with any sort of writing, really, and unfortunately in the case of student writing they do not feel what they know about a subject is good enough quite often (which leads back into authority and how students may struggle with it) and do not know how to address their audience. If a student doesn’t feel their knowledge of the subject is enough to break it down and talk about it or is afraid of mistakes, it’s certainly easier for them to attempt to try and play it safe.

I’m not really sure I understand all of what Bartholomae was saying myself, I did fall asleep a few times reading it be completely honest, and I gave myself some intense eyestrain reading it off of my iPhone. And now, what I do grasp I’m having a hard time formulating into something interesting and coherent to my audience here on this blog. I did, however find the subject interesting myself though, because it is something I have thought about before. I’m not really sure what the answer is. It almost seems like a chicken and egg question. Which came first? The basic writing skills, the academic prose, or the authority on subject material a student isn’t quite comfortable assuming?

4 Replies to “Bartholomae”

  1. Nice work with this! This is really interesting: “Bartholomae seems to argue that this is a good thing and that only through practicing it will it get better, which I agree with, but I also question how students would be able to ever truly learn how to do that without a basic understanding of creating language that flows and can be easily understood.” We should have many conversations in class about “the basics” in writing. Perhaps you learn clarity and concise writing within the context of writing for authentic purposes and audiences…can we really learn “to write” in general? Great post… thank you!

    1. I couldn’t find a place to interject this into class, but I suppose I should clarify what I meant by “basic.” Unfortunately, the word is a little more loaded than I realized. What I meant to say was that I believe it is more important to know how to present information or ideas to the audience you are writing to than having to write more complex sentence structures that leave more room for ambiguity than clarification and lead to confusion for the reader. Students often feel pressured into writing something that “sounds smart” to impress readers as opposed to neatly organizing their ideas – though I do not mean grammar itself, if that makes any sense. Just I guess, having the right information in there in a logical fashion?

      I’m still not sure I’m actually able to clearly communicate what I’m intending to say… haha! Maybe I shouldn’t write my posts so late at night.

      Thank you for your response to my post.

  2. We’re both on the same page when it comes to valuing the quality of the work over the appearance of the prose :) the way you summed up his article in the beginning i really appreciated it. although you disclaimed that you didn’t fully understand the piece towards the end of your blog, you clearly knew enough of it to write a really concise and interesting blog post. in general, i used to say that i value content over presentation, but this idea you have about how “at some point students should teach themselves how to write completely academically”- which is absolutely true and indeed something that should happen in higher education. i like the way you think!

  3. Wow, really nice clarification of your issues with the article. I too found myself struggling with the idea of writers assuming an authoritative position and utilizing the discourse of the community regardless if they are familiar with it or not. I really am still not sure if bartholomae is endorsing writers “faking” their way into a community, or if he supports writers having an individual voice that is applicable to many different communities and standards. Anyways, very nice post, I think you are a very good writer.

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